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Intended for an optimized setting

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P12S: Pallas Athena

PF Description Copy/Paste
Barse | POG Strat | https://primaloptigroup.carrd.co/#p12s2
Barse | POG Strat | no invuln Palladian 2 | https://primaloptigroup.carrd.co/#p12s2

Palladian Grasp 1

Gaiaochos

The Classical Concepts: BPOG

Palladian Ray

Crush Helm

H1 → MT | H2 → OT

Caloric Theory: Papan

https://ff14.toolboxgaming.space/?id=286982839316861&preview=1#1

Ekpyrosis

Pangenesis: 2+0

Palladian Grasp 2: default

Change invulning tank as necessary

Palladian Grasp 2: no invuln

If MT is left 0: Rescue after first TB hit

The Classical Concepts 2

Optional: move directly to final shapes for casters

Caloric Theory 2

R1 flex. Always clockwise. No mid pass
Return to original spot after passing

Gaiaochos 2

T/H north, DPS south

Tank Mitigation: No invuln Palladian 2

Appendix

Toolboxes/Raidplans

No invuln Palladian Grasp 2:
https://raidplan.io/plan/S4UOZfV0X7fCfeFd

Always CW + return to original spot Caloric 2:
https://raidplan.io/plan/jQh8v1JgYxe7E0un

Gaiaochos 2 :
https://ff14.toolboxgaming.space/?id=415090574696861&preview=1

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P12S: Athena

PF Description Copy/Paste
Barse | POG Strats | https://primaloptigroup.carrd.co/#p12s1
Barse | POG Strats | Uptime SC2A | https://primaloptigroup.carrd.co/#p12s1

Basic Setup

Paradeigma 1

Paradeigma 2

Resolve based on players

Superchain Theory I

Paradeigma 3

Straight (non-diagonal) tether DPS take mid tower

Superchain Theory 2A: default

Superchain Theory 2A: Uptime

Dialogos 2

If PLD/GNB: cannot be done. Must do 6/2 or 7/1

Invuln Dialogos stack
Non-invuln tank take Apo/Peridialogos alone

Superchain Theory 2B: boss relative

Appendix

Waymark Coordinates

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Uptime SC2A: note on precision

Uptime SC2A is incredibly tight to a point that it is recommended to use Pixel Perfect. There is a 0.65 yalms leeway shared between both cleaves, which would be about 0.5 yalms considering the half-room offset. Splitting this into two, it is about one tenth of a marker's diameter worth of leeway for reference. You may amend the following to have more consistency with the strat.

Superchain Theory I: BLM Rel. variation
(Minimum Fun version)

H1 & R1 can take Superchain Emission closer to second orb
This formation can also be used during Superchain 2A for RDM melee

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P9S: Kokytos

PF Description Copy/Paste
Barse | POG Strats | https://primaloptigroup.carrd.co/#p9s
Barse | POG Strats | SAM Rel. Succession | https://primaloptigroup.carrd.co/#p9s

Basic Setup

Archaic Rockbreaker

DPS CCW for Archaic Rockbreaker & Thunderbolt. Use coloured waymarks
Optional M2/R2 swap to create melee/ranged pairs

Scrambled Succession: JP

https://raidplan.io/plan/FeOtS0Tri0FSalXm

Comet

T/H & R2 bait first Thunderbolt
DPS & OT bait second Thunderbolt

Tanks bait Beastly Bile alone (~63k)
MT N CW | OT NW CCW

Chimeric Succession

Ranged & Healers bait
1 NW | Party S

Appendix

Note: DPS do not take first Thunderbolts per PF norm because bad patterns can occur for melees & BLM

Scrambled Succession: SAM Rel. Variation

https://raidplan.io/plan/btjR-JQHcewu-KtO
Raidplan to be polished

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P11S: Themis

PF Description Copy/Paste
Barse | POG Strats | https://primaloptigroup.carrd.co/#p11s

Basic Setup

TH CCW for pairings & groupings

Arcane Revelation & Shadowed Messengers

Note: all other Overrulings are resolved boss relative

Dark and Light: Improved Uptime Kindred

Starting position. Long tank voke
Everything else is the same as Uptime Kindred

T/H on letters. DPS on numbers
Long tank & DPS N/S

Dark Current

Example showing how to point boss in N/S pattern

Letter of the Law

Party start SW to nearest safe spot
Tethered tank voke
MT voke when going to tower

Appendix

Improved Kindred D&L Raidplan

https://raidplan.io/plan/PbnSYbcju77rb_4E

Dark and Light: POG D&L

https://raidplan.io/plan/Y0VNkGdFFAtmgLtR
Better than Kindred Uptime by granting more positional access. However may take a bit to learn. More recommended for statics.

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P10S: Pandæmonium

PF Description Copy/Paste
Barse | POG Strats | https://primaloptigroup.carrd.co/#p10s
Barse | POG Strats | 2211 turrets | https://primaloptigroup.carrd.co/#p10s

Dæmoniac Bonds Spreads

Pandæmonium Pillars

Dividing Wings 1

T/H tether break DPS (close) webs
DPS tether break T/H (far) webs
Optional: mobile players should break far webs when freed (with Sprint)

Silkspit

Dæmoniac Bonds 1

"Line" spread

Pandæmoniac Turrets: 2221 MHRT

Diagonal 3rd Turrets

Dæmoniac Bonds 3

Spread second: R1 far, tanks on markers

Dividing Wings 2 & Entangling Web

T/H left, DPS right

Dæmoniac Bonds (post Harrowing Hell)

Appendix

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Pandæmoniac Turrets: 2211 MHTR variation

Ranged last. Requires tank personal mit + 3x10%

Dæmoniac Bonds 3: Line variation

Dæmoniac Bonds 3 - Role Stack

Formation is shifted horizontally
H2 can slidecast from the red dot

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POG Strats: Explained

Overview

The primary target audience of POG Strats are optimization parties in a pickup group fashion. As such, POG strats are designed to be consistent with PF norms in mind when possible. Default POG strats have a limit on the amount of specific cooperation required between players, as well as strats that require a degree of learning (even if it may seem very simple to learn). Changes from common PF strats are examined on a case-by-case basis and any deviation from PF methods should yield a sufficient gain. Strats different from PF norms also have a timeframe consideration: players are more likely to adopt new strats after some time has passed compared to earlier in the tier.In addition to the default strats, variations of strats are provided to accommodate varying use cases and players are greatly encouraged to include variations in their PF as they see fit.The secondary target audience of POG strats are semi regular optimization statics and regular optimization statics. While some specific alterations to fit player needs and comfort are expected within the individual statics, we think POG Strats can satisfy the vast majority of demand in static optimization.

P9S

Archaic Rockbreaker
H1 is expected to move up with the melee. Swift (potentially) and/or a dot refresh can be used here. Healers that need to stay at the wall are expected to pick the H2 position. Creating melee/ranged pairs can be done on a individual PF basis.Scrambled Succession
JP strat is used as default as that is the common NA PF strat and provides a decent degree of SAM utility. SAM relative is not too difficult but still requires some deviation from players.Comet
Tanks taking Bile alone is a very slight gain for BLM and comfort for healers. While the benefit is small, it's easy enough to execute as the default strat. T/H take first lightning because the second Bile and exploding meteor create two unsafe (inter)cardinal zones. This could mean extra travel distance for BLM or lost positional access for melees if the unsafe zones are next to them.

P10S

Dividing Wings 1
East/west Wings (with healer breaking south stack) is chosen as it creates easier less distance traveled for casters and healers. The exception here is if casters have a tether, in which case an arrangement with freed DPS breaking the T/H webs can be made.Silkspit
H2's Silkspit 2 spot is chosen to retain similarity with its spot in Silkspit 1. While it might be a bit strange to have H2 left of H1, the value in consistency should be slightly more valuable. OT could stay on the right platform in Silkspit 1 as Silkspit 2 but needs to ensure catching buffs, which is why it is on the main platform in this spread configuration.Dæmoniac Bonds
The common "Line" spread has some tightness in execution and can be unfriendly to H2 in Bonds 3. "Box" spread solves some of these issues but introduces variations (as well as deviating from PF strat in the most common wipe point) as Bonds 1 has two patterns. Ultimate it was decided that "Line" is used for Bonds 1 and "Box" is used for Bonds 3.Pandæmoniac Turrets
2211 is superior over 2221 but requires extra coordination as well as being a new strat. Diagonal 2221 with healers being second is chosen as a compromise as it solves some unfriendliness to healers but remains unideal for casters and tanks. Players should choose the 2211 variation if they wish for additional optimization beyond Diagonal 2221.

P11S

Dark and Light
In Improved Uptime Kindred, by swapping healers and their tethered DPS, movement required for healers is greatly reduced. Short tank and short DPS are swapped for easier positioning mnemonic. POG D&L is a better D&L strat and provides more positional access. However, upon testing, the effort required for PF to learn the strat does not seem to be worth the investment even though it's not very complicated.Dark Current
Pointing the boss north or south for Jury gives healers and casters a better idea of their destination and thus allows more efficient movement.

P12S Door

Paradeigma 1
Allows MT to invuln the auto and SAM to obtain Third Eye proc. R1 is chosen over melee as the non-SAM baiter for consistency as the self-heal and mit of meleees are negligible here. BLM specific variation of this strat can be done but is slightly tight on positioning.Dialogos
7/1 can be done for both Dialogos. However this requires slightly more specificity and should be decided on a group basis.Uptime Superchain Theory 2A
Pairings are done to ensure healers are inner while melees are south relative to boss.

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Why is 1 NW and T/H CCW?

It is more common in general PF to have MT in the left group, which means the T/H CCW system should be used to retain consistency in pairings and groupings. Using the T/H CW system creates some issues that are PF specific. Under T/H CCW, in order to have corresponding waymark colours to pairings, the 1 NW marker system is used.For more information, please read the Fundamental Positioning Principles document.

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Why is MT group 2?

Under proper positioning principles, after rotating clockwise, MT ends up NE, the right side, which is group 2 (assuming the east group is group 2). However, PF has been conditioned to put MT on the left side as typical reading order is from left to right. To accommodate this norm, in fights where MT does not rotate, we put MT in group 1. In fights where MT does rotate, we put MT in group 2.

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P5S: Proto-Carbuncle

Puddles

Ruby 5

H1 + tanks North/West
H2 + melees East/South

Variations

Credits to Hansoo#0001 and Paukky#0509 for the graphics.

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P6S: Hegemone

Aetherial Exchange: Uptime

Transmission

Cachexia

Dark Sphere Spreads (Optional)

Uptime Variations

Uptime Unholy Darkness 2

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P7S: Agstidis

Inviolate Bonds

Multicast

Knockback + Exaflare: JP dodge

Adjust positioning after knockback

Famine

Healers and Ranged may take any singular tether cleave

Death: Caster Uptime

War

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P8S: Hephaistos

Basic Setup

Note: MT is G2 or East group in this fight. Why?

Manifold: Default

Line aoe baits at intercards.

Manifold: Caster Relative

Both tanks invuln

Dog 1

Fourfold

Return to initial positions for spreads or stacks
Caster adjustments may be applied

If going for P8S Final:

Standardized Mitigation Plan: WIP

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P8S: Hephaistos II

Note: MT is Group 1 in this fight

NA1 spread/stack: Default

Healers and Ranged anchor
TH Pair Priority: OUT | H1>MT>OT>H2 | IN
DPS Pair Priority: IN | R1>M1>M2>R2 | OUT

Tanks or melees flex on each side if they are not the NA role.
FLEXERS DO NOT BAIT ICE.

Movement is reversed if ice → fire.

High Concept 1

Unused DNA should go back to initial spot and take second Defamation

Limitless Desolation

NA2 Spreads + Stacks

High Concept 2

Dominion

Default group 1 flexes. Default THRM
Converge after spread for buffs

Appendix

NA1: Beetle Variation

More BLM friendly

Optional NA1 R1 Adjustment

More detailed Toolbox for High Concepts:
https://ff14.toolboxgaming.space/?id=350473109343661&preview=1

Improved 1-tile Raidplan: https://raidplan.io/plan/NRVPQO3LfTYeDVDd

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